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Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: ok
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - Reechard: THAT WAS OBIWANS FAULT YOU FUCK.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: i see that
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - Reechard: GET OUT OF STAR WARS
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - lonesome killer: Obiwan was nice
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - lonesome killer: dont blame him
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:26 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: but you don't seem to see that i don't see DLC and premium versions as the holocaust like you do, i see it as an alertnative option for people with more money than they know what to do with
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:26 PM - Reechard: I'm speaking from a business perspective. I stopped buying McDonalds because, while big macs are tasty, they're horrible non-food
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM - Reechard: I think I have more of a problem with destroying single player games in favor of online multiplayer only games....
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: lets break it down piece by piece then and start with the premium thing
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM - Reechard: I'm not a big fan of Halo since Halo3 came out with a 6-hour campaign...
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: You see premium as the antichrist, some kind of thing that makes this game utterly unplayable unless you were to buy it for yourself. you know what I call it? upping the multiplayer difficulty by one notch
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM - Reechard: I see it as a shady, underhanded way to get $100+ out of a game.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:29 PM - Reechard: It's all on-release, on-disc content
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:29 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: so what if some fuck starts with c4, his favorite rifle, and body armor. won't protect him too much when I kill him and 3 people standing by him with the starter pistol via headshots
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:29 PM - Reechard: I don't have a problem with DLC. I have a problem with pay-to-win
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM - Reechard: I bought Bordermans 2 preorder
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM - Reechard: and the season pass
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM - Reechard: but I didn't buy anything that would give me an upper hand in the game
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: ok let me put this graphic on a chart for you that looks like this {--------------} now this is a timeline of hours played on the game. i'll put a dash in the spot where pay to win no longer shines over play to win {---/------------------------------------------------------------------------------------}
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: your argument to me sounds like "i don't want to ride the rollercoaster, because the first 30 seconds are an uphill slow boring ride"
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:32 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: and my argument is, "i want to ride this rollercoaster, and if I don't pay extra money, you mean to tell me its fun from the start no matter what?"
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:32 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: in the same way that you have a rod of metal in your penis and i don't. its because we have varying definitons of the word fun
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: now i'd be upset if it were really pay to win, which means that theres absolutely no point in playing unless you pay to get all the unlocks. well, as a hardcore FPS player, I don't see that as a game breaking mechanic. I look at that and see it as a challenge to prove I'm better than those who just buy shit that you normally earn in a video game
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:35 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: having all guns unlocked before the other guy, is not akin to having mike tyson fight a 5 year old to the death
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:35 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: not if you have skill like me at least
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: to me a real example of pay to win is vanilla world of warcraft, someone buying a high warlord ranked pvp account for full pvp gear. and then going to the enemy faction starting location and picking fights with everyone lvl 10+
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: not even skill will save that lvl 10+ person
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:38 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: but in battlefield, yup. skill saves you from an idiot with a "better" gun than you.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:47 PM - Reechard: That example would hold up if you could actually purchase a L90 account directly from Blizzard
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:48 PM - Reechard: Diablo 3's auction house is a better example of that lol
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:48 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: *shrug* who your money goes to doesn't matter when the question is "can you or can you not pay to have an unfair advantage over all other players? one which is so game breakingly unfair, that it sucks all of the enjoyment and fun out of the experience for those that didn't pay extra?"
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:48 PM - Reechard: which is why I won't give THEM any money either
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:50 PM - Reechard: It's not a specific type of shady business practice I'm against
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM - Reechard: it's shady business practices in general. I don't care if it's not a real advantage, they charged $50 for it.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM - Reechard: I didn't buy Starcraft 2 even though I want it horribly
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM - Reechard: because it was shady shit when they announced that you'd be getting 1/3 of the game for your $60
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM - Reechard: and had to buy at LEAST 2 more $50 DLC's to get the rest of the game.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:52 PM - Reechard: I was hyped for Diablo 3, then i heard about the auction house and decided not to buy that either, because it was shady, moneygrubbing tactics
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:53 PM - Reechard: but I buy just about everything that 2K puts out because they're awesome and don't do that kind of crap
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:54 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: ah so thats where we differ
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:54 PM - Reechard: with bordermans, bioshock, civ, etc etc
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: if the company offers a rediculous product and they offer an okay product. you decide its better to boycott the company. but i decide to boycott the rediculous product
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM - Reechard: charge me money for stuff that makes the game better. I'm cool with that
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: because again, no ones forcing you to buy DLCs
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM - Reechard: Yes that's exactly correct.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:57 PM - Reechard: I'm not going to give EA any money because they've destroyed several IPs that I care about.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:57 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: well its a good thing that only a small % of people take your approach and it isn't enough to cause a disruption. because if that mentality worked retail corporate stores would have been destroyed ages ago
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM - Reechard: some of them deserve to be destroyed.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM - Reechard: Part of the problem in the US is that we're too dependent on over-generalized gigantic megastores
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - Reechard: THAT WAS OBIWANS FAULT YOU FUCK.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: i see that
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - Reechard: GET OUT OF STAR WARS
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - lonesome killer: Obiwan was nice
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM - lonesome killer: dont blame him
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:26 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: but you don't seem to see that i don't see DLC and premium versions as the holocaust like you do, i see it as an alertnative option for people with more money than they know what to do with
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:26 PM - Reechard: I'm speaking from a business perspective. I stopped buying McDonalds because, while big macs are tasty, they're horrible non-food
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM - Reechard: I think I have more of a problem with destroying single player games in favor of online multiplayer only games....
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: lets break it down piece by piece then and start with the premium thing
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM - Reechard: I'm not a big fan of Halo since Halo3 came out with a 6-hour campaign...
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: You see premium as the antichrist, some kind of thing that makes this game utterly unplayable unless you were to buy it for yourself. you know what I call it? upping the multiplayer difficulty by one notch
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM - Reechard: I see it as a shady, underhanded way to get $100+ out of a game.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:29 PM - Reechard: It's all on-release, on-disc content
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:29 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: so what if some fuck starts with c4, his favorite rifle, and body armor. won't protect him too much when I kill him and 3 people standing by him with the starter pistol via headshots
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:29 PM - Reechard: I don't have a problem with DLC. I have a problem with pay-to-win
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM - Reechard: I bought Bordermans 2 preorder
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM - Reechard: and the season pass
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM - Reechard: but I didn't buy anything that would give me an upper hand in the game
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: ok let me put this graphic on a chart for you that looks like this {--------------} now this is a timeline of hours played on the game. i'll put a dash in the spot where pay to win no longer shines over play to win {---/------------------------------------------------------------------------------------}
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: your argument to me sounds like "i don't want to ride the rollercoaster, because the first 30 seconds are an uphill slow boring ride"
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:32 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: and my argument is, "i want to ride this rollercoaster, and if I don't pay extra money, you mean to tell me its fun from the start no matter what?"
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:32 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: in the same way that you have a rod of metal in your penis and i don't. its because we have varying definitons of the word fun
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: now i'd be upset if it were really pay to win, which means that theres absolutely no point in playing unless you pay to get all the unlocks. well, as a hardcore FPS player, I don't see that as a game breaking mechanic. I look at that and see it as a challenge to prove I'm better than those who just buy shit that you normally earn in a video game
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:35 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: having all guns unlocked before the other guy, is not akin to having mike tyson fight a 5 year old to the death
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:35 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: not if you have skill like me at least
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: to me a real example of pay to win is vanilla world of warcraft, someone buying a high warlord ranked pvp account for full pvp gear. and then going to the enemy faction starting location and picking fights with everyone lvl 10+
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: not even skill will save that lvl 10+ person
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:38 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: but in battlefield, yup. skill saves you from an idiot with a "better" gun than you.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:47 PM - Reechard: That example would hold up if you could actually purchase a L90 account directly from Blizzard
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:48 PM - Reechard: Diablo 3's auction house is a better example of that lol
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:48 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: *shrug* who your money goes to doesn't matter when the question is "can you or can you not pay to have an unfair advantage over all other players? one which is so game breakingly unfair, that it sucks all of the enjoyment and fun out of the experience for those that didn't pay extra?"
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:48 PM - Reechard: which is why I won't give THEM any money either
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:50 PM - Reechard: It's not a specific type of shady business practice I'm against
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM - Reechard: it's shady business practices in general. I don't care if it's not a real advantage, they charged $50 for it.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM - Reechard: I didn't buy Starcraft 2 even though I want it horribly
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM - Reechard: because it was shady shit when they announced that you'd be getting 1/3 of the game for your $60
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM - Reechard: and had to buy at LEAST 2 more $50 DLC's to get the rest of the game.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:52 PM - Reechard: I was hyped for Diablo 3, then i heard about the auction house and decided not to buy that either, because it was shady, moneygrubbing tactics
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:53 PM - Reechard: but I buy just about everything that 2K puts out because they're awesome and don't do that kind of crap
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:54 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: ah so thats where we differ
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:54 PM - Reechard: with bordermans, bioshock, civ, etc etc
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: if the company offers a rediculous product and they offer an okay product. you decide its better to boycott the company. but i decide to boycott the rediculous product
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM - Reechard: charge me money for stuff that makes the game better. I'm cool with that
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: because again, no ones forcing you to buy DLCs
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:55 PM - Reechard: Yes that's exactly correct.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:57 PM - Reechard: I'm not going to give EA any money because they've destroyed several IPs that I care about.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:57 PM - Blood Feast Island Man: well its a good thing that only a small % of people take your approach and it isn't enough to cause a disruption. because if that mentality worked retail corporate stores would have been destroyed ages ago
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM - Reechard: some of them deserve to be destroyed.
Oct 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM - Reechard: Part of the problem in the US is that we're too dependent on over-generalized gigantic megastores