VaultBot
I'm Vintage's pet bot, I can't reply to PMs/posts.
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM - Reechard: moving out is good.
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM - Geoff: And I'm just now realizing how much stuff I actually own. Like wtf, it all is just randomly appearing.
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM - Reechard: yup
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM - Reechard: try doing it with an entire house
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM - Reechard: you're like "all done with this room just kidding look a magic closet door just appeared and the closet is full"
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:02 PM - Geoff: lol my friend said he had to make two trips. Man, fuck that. Might have someone follow me but there are some things my car can't even handle. like chairs.
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM - English: Vintage... Why is Hidden server down? Was looking forward to playing some maybe tonight
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:17 PM - English: play some before my wednesday night is taken up by guests
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM - VintagePC: It's actually online
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM - VintagePC: I just marked it like that because I want to fix the whole 'your version does not match' before it becomes a public thing
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM - English: just the server list doesnt think it is?
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:20 PM - VintagePC: I need to push a srcds update through to it as well
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:20 PM - VintagePC: which should hopefully make it more stable as well
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM - English: ok
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM - English: cuz i had a lot of fun playing it
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:30 PM - VintagePC: there we go
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:39 PM - Statboy: give me a shout out when u get on hidden, so long as it's after i'm done with my homework
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM - Reechard: my daughter is actually staying overnight for girl scout camp tonight, so we're probably going to go out after we do some playing around in FG
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:45 PM - Statboy: When the kid is away parents PARTY
Jul 2, 2014 at 1:28 PM - lonesome killer: By going out Reechard means he's pulling oiut hte ceiling swing for him and lava
Jul 2, 2014 at 2:14 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: lol
Jul 2, 2014 at 2:21 PM - VaultBot: vintage, obtenir votre jeu sale de ma shoutbox!
Jul 2, 2014 at 2:56 PM - VaultBot: and yeah, finally can remember a password
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:05 PM - English: So reechard. I am a little confused on something. You know that thing lonesome posted a few days ago about the password
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM - English: I feel like the math is a wrong. unless I am missing something
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM - English: I believe it gave an 8 character password
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM - English: but it said that it would only take 3 days to crack it by just random guessing
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM - VaultBot: how about you use literally any 3 of the allowed methods
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM - English: i mean assuming you ONLY use letters and numbers and no special characters. you are talking about 36 possible choices for each character in the password
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM - English: and 36^8 is some stupid number of possibilities
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM - English: like 2.8 trillion possibilities
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM - VintagePC:
?
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM - English: even if you were guessing at 1000 possibilities a sec
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM - English: yeah i am not getting their math
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM - VintagePC: that's because it's on bits of entropy
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM - VintagePC: not brute force combinations
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM - English: ah
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM - English: didnt know there was a difference / what the difference is
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM - VintagePC: believe me, the guy that writes those (XKCD) has a math/physics/engineering background
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM - VintagePC: you'd be hard-pressed to find problems in his math
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM - English: thats why i was confused as was asking for explanation
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM - VintagePC: also http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=936#Explanation
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM - VintagePC: and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM - VintagePC: but the basic premise is you can shortcut the brute force attack by making common substitutions on dictionary words
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM - VintagePC: the entropy arises from the "distance" those words are from real ones
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM - VintagePC: and tl;dr: people are lazy and make bad passwords that are easy to guess
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM - VintagePC:
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM - English: interesting
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM - English: so if you take a dictionary word like trombone
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM - English: but then distance it from the real word as possible
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM - English: it makes it more difficult?
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM - VintagePC: yep
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM - VintagePC: it's about making the time to crack the PW as close to brute-force time as possible
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:23 PM - English: so by not replacing characters with their common substitution
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:26 PM - VintagePC: or better yet something that is nowhere near a dictionary word
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: something I've contemplated doing is using MD5s
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: but I found it too complex
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: e.g. instead of "mytopsecretbankpassword"
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: take the MD5sum of "mytopsecretbankpassword"
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: and use that instead
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:28 PM - VintagePC: and use variants like "mytopsecretvf4password"
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM - VintagePC: so you only have to remember the "mytopsecretpassword" part and whatever you're inserting as the variant
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM - English: so what if I just opened a dictionary to 6 random different pages and 6 random words on the page
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM - English: would that work with the entropy theory?
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM - Statboy: May i please have a moment of silence for my car, I bought it brand new when I was 18, saved up for it for years. Now 12 years later it's done for, it won't see another patch of asphalt.
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM - VaultBot: heh, i think there's a bug
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM - Geoff: ....is my math off? Are you really that old?!
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM - VintagePC: KF update installed
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM - Statboy: I am 30
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:42 PM - English: cool vintage
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM - VaultBot: not brute force combinations
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM - VintagePC: hmm
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM - VintagePC: grocery shopping time
Jul 2, 2014 at 4:04 PM - lonesome killer: brocery shopping
Jul 2, 2014 at 4:59 PM - SoL DarkLord: I really need to stop watching 3 hour long movies in theaters. I feel like I miss so much when I get up to go to the bathroom.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:02 PM - Geoff: Yeah, I've learned to hold it in theaters.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM - SoL DarkLord: I went twice during Transformers.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:30 PM - Geoff: I really should learn how long movies are first. That movie felt likt it was just dragging the fuck on.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:31 PM - SoL DarkLord: Agreed. Some of it was clearly drug out.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM - VintagePC: Drug isn't the past tense of drag...
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM - VintagePC:
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:40 PM - Geoff: But hey, the Transformers had a lot of screen time. Very happy with that. And I got interested in learning who created the Transformers, so that's cool.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM - TimeCrush: I want some kind of multiplayer game I can log on and do a little chipping away at progression here, a little there, etc.
Jul 2, 2014 at 6:00 PM - VaultBot: perfect time to order them during the off-season. can't wait to play
Jul 2, 2014 at 6:00 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: planetside 2
Jul 2, 2014 at 6:04 PM - SoL DarkLord: Break all the things and blame canada?
Jul 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM - lonesome killer: TimeCursh try Space engineers. Its like minecraft in space. You harvest resources and make your own space ship
Jul 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM - lonesome killer: Then you can take it online to PVP battles if you want. Or just messaround like in minecraft
Jul 2, 2014 at 7:57 PM - Reechard: timecrush play tf2 it's like minecraft with guns and hats
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM - Statboy: theres a hat mod for minecraft
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:35 PM - VintagePC: yes
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:36 PM - VintagePC: b-team has it
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:42 PM - VaultBot: no hablo francés. habléis inglés o español por favor.
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:42 PM - lonesome killer: Yo ayone want a 3DS XL? I'll give you special Vault buddy price
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:02 PM - Geoff: What's the special vault buddy price
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM - Geoff: And I'm just now realizing how much stuff I actually own. Like wtf, it all is just randomly appearing.
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM - Reechard: yup
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM - Reechard: try doing it with an entire house
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM - Reechard: you're like "all done with this room just kidding look a magic closet door just appeared and the closet is full"
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:02 PM - Geoff: lol my friend said he had to make two trips. Man, fuck that. Might have someone follow me but there are some things my car can't even handle. like chairs.
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM - English: Vintage... Why is Hidden server down? Was looking forward to playing some maybe tonight
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:17 PM - English: play some before my wednesday night is taken up by guests
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM - VintagePC: It's actually online
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM - VintagePC: I just marked it like that because I want to fix the whole 'your version does not match' before it becomes a public thing
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM - English: just the server list doesnt think it is?
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:20 PM - VintagePC: I need to push a srcds update through to it as well
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:20 PM - VintagePC: which should hopefully make it more stable as well
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM - English: ok
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM - English: cuz i had a lot of fun playing it
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:30 PM - VintagePC: there we go
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:39 PM - Statboy: give me a shout out when u get on hidden, so long as it's after i'm done with my homework
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM - Reechard: my daughter is actually staying overnight for girl scout camp tonight, so we're probably going to go out after we do some playing around in FG
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:45 PM - Statboy: When the kid is away parents PARTY
Jul 2, 2014 at 1:28 PM - lonesome killer: By going out Reechard means he's pulling oiut hte ceiling swing for him and lava
Jul 2, 2014 at 2:14 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: lol
Jul 2, 2014 at 2:21 PM - VaultBot: vintage, obtenir votre jeu sale de ma shoutbox!
Jul 2, 2014 at 2:56 PM - VaultBot: and yeah, finally can remember a password
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:05 PM - English: So reechard. I am a little confused on something. You know that thing lonesome posted a few days ago about the password
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM - English: I feel like the math is a wrong. unless I am missing something
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM - English: I believe it gave an 8 character password
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM - English: but it said that it would only take 3 days to crack it by just random guessing
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM - VaultBot: how about you use literally any 3 of the allowed methods
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM - English: i mean assuming you ONLY use letters and numbers and no special characters. you are talking about 36 possible choices for each character in the password
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM - English: and 36^8 is some stupid number of possibilities
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM - English: like 2.8 trillion possibilities
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM - VintagePC:

Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM - English: even if you were guessing at 1000 possibilities a sec
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM - English: yeah i am not getting their math
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM - VintagePC: that's because it's on bits of entropy
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM - VintagePC: not brute force combinations
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM - English: ah
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM - English: didnt know there was a difference / what the difference is
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM - VintagePC: believe me, the guy that writes those (XKCD) has a math/physics/engineering background
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM - VintagePC: you'd be hard-pressed to find problems in his math
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM - English: thats why i was confused as was asking for explanation
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM - VintagePC: also http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=936#Explanation
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM - VintagePC: and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM - VintagePC: but the basic premise is you can shortcut the brute force attack by making common substitutions on dictionary words
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM - VintagePC: the entropy arises from the "distance" those words are from real ones
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM - VintagePC: and tl;dr: people are lazy and make bad passwords that are easy to guess
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM - VintagePC:
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM - English: interesting
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM - English: so if you take a dictionary word like trombone
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM - English: but then distance it from the real word as possible
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM - English: it makes it more difficult?
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM - VintagePC: yep
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM - VintagePC: it's about making the time to crack the PW as close to brute-force time as possible
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:23 PM - English: so by not replacing characters with their common substitution
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:26 PM - VintagePC: or better yet something that is nowhere near a dictionary word
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: something I've contemplated doing is using MD5s
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: but I found it too complex
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: e.g. instead of "mytopsecretbankpassword"
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: take the MD5sum of "mytopsecretbankpassword"
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM - VintagePC: and use that instead
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:28 PM - VintagePC: and use variants like "mytopsecretvf4password"
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM - VintagePC: so you only have to remember the "mytopsecretpassword" part and whatever you're inserting as the variant
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM - English: so what if I just opened a dictionary to 6 random different pages and 6 random words on the page
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM - English: would that work with the entropy theory?
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM - Statboy: May i please have a moment of silence for my car, I bought it brand new when I was 18, saved up for it for years. Now 12 years later it's done for, it won't see another patch of asphalt.

Jul 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM - VaultBot: heh, i think there's a bug
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM - Geoff: ....is my math off? Are you really that old?!
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM - VintagePC: KF update installed
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM - Statboy: I am 30
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:42 PM - English: cool vintage
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM - VaultBot: not brute force combinations
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM - VintagePC: hmm
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM - VintagePC: grocery shopping time
Jul 2, 2014 at 4:04 PM - lonesome killer: brocery shopping
Jul 2, 2014 at 4:59 PM - SoL DarkLord: I really need to stop watching 3 hour long movies in theaters. I feel like I miss so much when I get up to go to the bathroom.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:02 PM - Geoff: Yeah, I've learned to hold it in theaters.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM - SoL DarkLord: I went twice during Transformers.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:30 PM - Geoff: I really should learn how long movies are first. That movie felt likt it was just dragging the fuck on.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:31 PM - SoL DarkLord: Agreed. Some of it was clearly drug out.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM - VintagePC: Drug isn't the past tense of drag...
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM - VintagePC:

Jul 2, 2014 at 5:40 PM - Geoff: But hey, the Transformers had a lot of screen time. Very happy with that. And I got interested in learning who created the Transformers, so that's cool.
Jul 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM - TimeCrush: I want some kind of multiplayer game I can log on and do a little chipping away at progression here, a little there, etc.
Jul 2, 2014 at 6:00 PM - VaultBot: perfect time to order them during the off-season. can't wait to play
Jul 2, 2014 at 6:00 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: planetside 2
Jul 2, 2014 at 6:04 PM - SoL DarkLord: Break all the things and blame canada?
Jul 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM - lonesome killer: TimeCursh try Space engineers. Its like minecraft in space. You harvest resources and make your own space ship
Jul 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM - lonesome killer: Then you can take it online to PVP battles if you want. Or just messaround like in minecraft
Jul 2, 2014 at 7:57 PM - Reechard: timecrush play tf2 it's like minecraft with guns and hats
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM - Statboy: theres a hat mod for minecraft
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:35 PM - VintagePC: yes
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:36 PM - VintagePC: b-team has it
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:42 PM - VaultBot: no hablo francés. habléis inglés o español por favor.
Jul 2, 2014 at 8:42 PM - lonesome killer: Yo ayone want a 3DS XL? I'll give you special Vault buddy price
Jul 2, 2014 at 11:02 PM - Geoff: What's the special vault buddy price