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Shoutbox Archive Thread (slow Load - Long Posts)

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Oct 18, 2015 at 12:03 AM - SoL DarkLord: Revolvers are tactical... when you need stopping power instead of more bullets.
Oct 18, 2015 at 8:18 AM - TimeCrush: Just an asshole Reechard.
Oct 18, 2015 at 8:18 AM - TimeCrush: Makes statements to get a rise.
Oct 18, 2015 at 8:42 AM - lonesome killer: WTF you talking about no stopping power. 40 and 45 have great stopping power and if you're worried you have hollow points.
Oct 18, 2015 at 8:44 AM - TimeCrush: Put a 357 Magnum hollow point in somebody and say that doesn't have stopping power. One of the few guns I own.
Oct 18, 2015 at 10:43 AM - Statboy: semiautos and revolvers have the same stopping power because they fire the same bullets
Oct 18, 2015 at 10:44 AM - Statboy: I personally don't like revolvers because they can't have a safety and I am a worse aim with one
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:20 AM - Reechard: revolvers are all about reliability.
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:21 AM - Reechard: it doesn't matter how many bullets are in your mag if your gun jams or misfires on the first roung
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:21 AM - Reechard: then you have to run through a cycle drill before you can fire again
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:22 AM - VaultBot: also does lol use peer to peer for patching?
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:22 AM - Reechard: and that's *IF* you didn't have a malfunction that would end up sticking the round in the chamber so your extractor couldn't remove it (or if your extractor or one of the other 6 parts involved failed)
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:22 AM - Reechard: if you have a revolver, you pull back the hammer and fire again (or just pull the trigger again) and another round is cycled in and fired, as part of the mechanism.
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:23 AM - Reechard: safeties are irrelevant anymore, most of the new pistols don't have them, you're supposed to have a good holster to keep things away from the trigger. The only safety you "need" is proper trigger discipline.
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM - Reechard: safeties are for long guns that can't be holstered :-D
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:54 AM - lonesome killer:
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Oct 18, 2015 at 11:54 AM - lonesome killer: That revolver is more reliable bullshit might have been true in 1900
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:54 AM - VaultBot: as a flashlight. instead of part time + hobby work.
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:54 AM - lonesome killer: semi automatics have been around over a century and have proven reliablity
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:55 AM - lonesome killer: And any machine created by man can jam.
Oct 18, 2015 at 12:54 PM - VaultBot: next time
Oct 18, 2015 at 12:54 PM - Reechard: Reliability of simpler mechanisms is true in everything. It's proven. There's no questioning this, you're still an idiot.
Oct 18, 2015 at 12:55 PM - Reechard: Yes, a revolver can still jam. The needed sequence of events for it to happen are far less likely than the series of events needed to jam any semiauto mechanism.
Oct 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM - Reechard: You can feed them with filthy old shitty ammo and if something fails, pull the trigger again. If your semiauto is a little bit dirty in the wrong place, it will fuck up.
Oct 18, 2015 at 12:57 PM - Reechard: When your life is on the line, it matters. I don't want to be doing tap-rack drills in my spare time.
Oct 18, 2015 at 12:58 PM - Reechard: And I certainly don't want my wife to need to, so we keep a .38 for that.
Oct 18, 2015 at 2:35 PM - VaultBot: (11+10) = 21 oh, that
Oct 18, 2015 at 2:35 PM - Statboy: I'm with Reechard on reliability, my Walther P22 (most accurate 22 ever made imo) has a hollow point hang-up, you can only fire full copper or it won't cycle properly
Oct 18, 2015 at 2:35 PM - Statboy: Semi-auto's do jam more easily.
Oct 18, 2015 at 2:38 PM - Statboy: also before anybody says "EWW a .22 those have no stopping power", shoot anybody in the knee with a .22 and see if they don't stop
Oct 18, 2015 at 2:46 PM - Reechard: everyone should have a .22 - if it's all you've got for home defense it's better than nothing
Oct 18, 2015 at 2:46 PM - Reechard: and if you hit 'em in the head, it doesn't have enough energy to exit the other side, so it'll ricochet off the inside of the skull and scramble everything up real nice
Oct 18, 2015 at 3:13 PM - lonesome killer: And if you get something in the cylinder or extractor of a revolver your bullet ain't coming out without tools. I think just about every 22 won't shoot properly without high velocity powder
Oct 18, 2015 at 3:13 PM - lonesome killer: They just don't have enough power to cycle a slide every time.
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:17 PM - VaultBot: 5 days lonesome, titanfall hasn't gotten any huge sale that i've seen. so if people are trolling or
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:17 PM - Reechard: now you're just being dumb (big surprise) There are plenty of .22s that are designed for plinking. My dad has a Beretta U22 neos. It feeds fine as long as you don't get the worst ammo on the shelf. Even semi-shitty ammo feeds fine in it
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:19 PM - Reechard: the Walther P22 is a well-designed gun and isn't designed with cheap ammo in mind. It's more of a CCW weapon.
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:19 PM - Reechard: My compact 1911 doesn't feed crappy ammo very well either, but my full size one eats just about everything
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:19 PM - Reechard: design is key here, intended use is key here.
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:20 PM - Reechard: back to the revolver discussion, your own statement proved me right
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:20 PM - Reechard: if you get something in the cylinder of the revolver, and it can't be removed without tools
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:21 PM - Reechard: you skip that chamber and you can still fully reload it (-1 capacity) and continue using it, and just click past that chamber. It's still a fully functional weapon
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:21 PM - Reechard: there is no extractor, idk what you're talking about there.
Oct 18, 2015 at 4:21 PM - Reechard: hang on let me find you some barrel shrouds
Oct 18, 2015 at 5:52 PM - VintagePC: woop woop
Oct 18, 2015 at 5:53 PM - VintagePC: dodgeball is ready to go
Oct 18, 2015 at 6:28 PM - Statboy: I tried to invite a few people, don't think many of them will come though
Oct 18, 2015 at 6:59 PM - Hexalan: derp
Oct 18, 2015 at 7:00 PM - VintagePC: on my way in now, we'll start a steam event in about 10 minutes to give the locals a chance to get in first
Oct 18, 2015 at 8:44 PM - LavaRed: Dodgeball was fun! We should do it again sometime soon!
Oct 18, 2015 at 8:45 PM - VintagePC: liek... next sunday? :p
Oct 18, 2015 at 9:54 PM - Geoff: Few things are worse than hitting an animal that you had no time to stop or avoid. =(
Oct 18, 2015 at 10:13 PM - Hexalan: what about 5 animals in front of you that you can avoid, but if you do you'll hit one other animal instead that's tied down
Oct 18, 2015 at 11:00 PM - deskmice: Noooooo...Didn't get back in time for dodgeball :(
 
Oct 19, 2015 6:41 AM - theLumberJack: vintage
Oct 19, 2015 6:41 AM - theLumberJack: do you know of this bridge shenanigans
Oct 19, 2015 1:59 PM - Ephex: I cant connect to the mumble server.
Oct 19, 2015 7:00 PM - SoL DarkLord: That moment when your co-worker starts talking about stealing your food... and you just remind them you know where they live...
Oct 19, 2015 9:17 PM - Statboy: Then they go to HR and say that you've been sexually harassing her for years, now you've upgraded to stalking. Then she says you snuck into her house in the middle of the night and stole all her panties so she wouldn't have any to wear. Or is that just me?
Oct 19, 2015 9:18 PM - Hexalan: that only happens to people with mustaches, stat
 
Oct 20, 2015 6:09 PM - LavaRed: beep boop
Oct 20, 2015 6:11 PM - Amanmegaman: Never thought i would live to see the robot Lava
Oct 20, 2015 6:14 PM - LavaRed: Bloop
Oct 20, 2015 6:18 PM - Amanmegaman: it is time for the emp
Oct 20, 2015 6:20 PM - Amanmegaman: Can't wait for the new Deathbattle tonight though
Oct 20, 2015 7:57 PM - English: larvarl
Oct 20, 2015 9:12 PM - Hexalan: miriam wants her hand back
 
Oct 21, 2015 at 7:24 AM - lonesome killer: Wow fuck the newest guitar hero. It went full retard. Even though you own the game you can't pick what songs to play unless you have enough in game currency or do micro transactions.
Oct 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM - lonesome killer: Every song you manually choose costs in game currency, or for $1 you can pick 6 songs.
Oct 21, 2015 at 7:31 AM - lonesome killer: And if you're having a party for $6 you get unlimited picks for 24 hours.
Oct 21, 2015 at 8:39 AM - Reechard: is it stuff you can unlock by playing the game?
Oct 21, 2015 at 9:18 AM - Reechard: I mean it's a shitty system regardless, but if you can unlock it oh well
Oct 21, 2015 at 10:53 AM - Statboy: Is anybody else not nerding out for star wars? I feel like the only one who thinks it won't be any good
Oct 21, 2015 at 12:39 PM - Hexalan: i don't particularly care for star wars
Oct 21, 2015 at 12:39 PM - Hexalan: or back to the future
Oct 21, 2015 at 1:17 PM - VaultBot: think that was the parent i'd retort with ""you don't follow our rules, why should we follow yours?""
Oct 21, 2015 at 1:17 PM - TimeCrush: I'm never to peeved about having to play the game I've bought.
Oct 21, 2015 at 3:17 PM - lonesome killer: You dont unlock songs any more. From what I understand you get the base 42 songs. All the other songs you have to use a Play to play it 1 time. You get plays from random things in game.
Oct 21, 2015 at 3:17 PM - lonesome killer: But basically you won't be able to pick a specific song and try it over and over until you perfect it, unless you keep spedning Plays
Oct 21, 2015 at 3:18 PM - lonesome killer: Like you know those "freemium" apps on your phone where you only get a certain amount of "energy" a day
Oct 21, 2015 at 3:19 PM - lonesome killer: At first its not so bad, you have to wait 10 seconds for 1 energy, but doing this action only takes 1 energy. So you're like "Ok, I will go take a crap while I build up 10 energy to do a bunch of stuff."
Oct 21, 2015 at 3:20 PM - lonesome killer: Then when your base gets more advanced you have to spend more energy to upgrade this or build that and then the developer is like "Oh hey, you can spend $3 to buy 100 gems. You don't have to, it's totally free to play still"
Oct 21, 2015 at 3:21 PM - lonesome killer: Except those games have an excuse for their energy or coin system, it's called free to play. Spending $100-$150 for the same thing is not acceptable.
Oct 21, 2015 at 4:01 PM - Hexalan: i feel like this is the sort of thing you know about before you buy the game
Oct 21, 2015 at 5:50 PM - Reechard: Uh... 42 songs is the same amount that comes with all of the previous games. The poopy part is having to pay multiple times for the same DLC.
Oct 21, 2015 at 5:51 PM - Reechard: I know in the most recent one I played you could pay $1/song and then it was yours, like itunes.
Oct 21, 2015 at 5:51 PM - Reechard: but yeah, you only paid for the 42 songs.
Oct 21, 2015 at 6:18 PM - lonesome killer: There is no track picking. Like In the original games you could pick any song you want to in free play. This one doesn't have that I think
Oct 21, 2015 at 8:21 PM - lonesome killer: Guitar hero live has a couple country songs. Here's hoping they release a county pack
 
Oct 22, 2015 2:26 PM - Hexalan: found lonesome
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Oct 22, 2015 2:27 PM - Hexalan: "Hot to Get Shot by Police", Vol 3 with Professor Jerry
Oct 22, 2015 2:34 PM - Statboy: First thought, Damn lonesome has a nice ass
Oct 22, 2015 3:21 PM - lonesome killer: I've seen that phone case it is completely stupid
Oct 22, 2015 3:21 PM - VaultBot: by armor you mean cup, and motion detector for when you're asleep?
Oct 22, 2015 3:21 PM - lonesome killer: Someone's gonna get shot or sued
Oct 22, 2015 3:40 PM - Reechard: someone's definitely gonna get shot, but I feel like this is one that'll get laughed out of court
Oct 22, 2015 3:41 PM - Reechard: "you stupid asshole you deserved to be shot. Enjoy your Darwin Award"
Oct 22, 2015 4:51 PM - VintagePC: if they survive they aren't eligible for a darwin award
Oct 22, 2015 5:22 PM - Reechard: depends on if they get removed from the gene pool
Oct 22, 2015 5:23 PM - Reechard: if this chick gets shot and her ovaries get shredded, but she lives, then she's eligible :p
Oct 22, 2015 6:14 PM - VaultBot: even vaultbot is on this early...i got to head to work in an hour after you left, didn't know if you caught it
Oct 22, 2015 6:14 PM - Statboy: They do have an honorable mentions sections for near death stupidity
Oct 22, 2015 7:46 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/35246588589183295/4E944E507960C27C3580795AA38149D6EAC98378/
Oct 22, 2015 7:46 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯:
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Oct 22, 2015 7:47 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: just makes me giggle when i watch that
Oct 22, 2015 7:47 PM - Hexalan: thatsracist.gif
Oct 22, 2015 8:37 PM - VaultBot: est-ce toi fume un pipe, lava?
 
Oct 23, 2015 7:24 AM - Reechard: hahahaha omg
Oct 23, 2015 7:24 AM - Reechard: "me when I play 2D fighters"
Oct 23, 2015 7:25 AM - Reechard: I'm soooo bad at them, I just can't get the timing. I have a couple that are less speed and more strategy based, and I'm still even bad at those.
Oct 23, 2015 10:57 AM - Statboy: Called my Cousins who live in Mexico this morning asking if they needed to drive up. Hope Mexico doesn't get hit to hard today...
Oct 23, 2015 12:25 PM - Reechard: it's looking like they're gonna get slammed
Oct 23, 2015 5:28 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: so ESO is 20 bucks atm on GOG tempted
Oct 23, 2015 5:28 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: whoops i mean humble store
Oct 23, 2015 8:42 PM - Reechard: I found lonesome
Oct 23, 2015 8:42 PM - Reechard:
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Oct 23, 2015 9:12 PM - lonesome killer: Excuse me, my parents dont payh my bills
Oct 23, 2015 9:12 PM - lonesome killer: Andi dont dip and dont have a truck, they are very uneconomical
Oct 23, 2015 9:14 PM - LavaRed: yes they do
Oct 23, 2015 9:14 PM - LavaRed: what's your rent?
Oct 23, 2015 9:14 PM - LavaRed: your utilities?
Oct 23, 2015 9:15 PM - LavaRed: homeowner's insurance?
Oct 23, 2015 9:15 PM - LavaRed: property taxes?
Oct 23, 2015 9:15 PM - LavaRed: grocery bill?
 
Oct 24, 2015 6:13 AM - theLumberJack: $400, $100, renter, $400 a month
Oct 24, 2015 6:13 AM - theLumberJack: CAD
Oct 24, 2015 6:15 AM - theLumberJack: I find too much joy in answering questions asked to other people 11 hours ago
Oct 24, 2015 6:17 AM - theLumberJack: Also Vintage, the bridge failed to re-open on time twice this week. I now regret scheduling only morning classes.
Oct 24, 2015 7:03 AM - VintagePC: womp womp
Oct 24, 2015 8:37 AM - TimeCrush: Lol, Lonesome thinking hes self sufficient.
Oct 24, 2015 8:37 AM - TimeCrush: It thinks its people.
Oct 24, 2015 8:43 AM - lonesome killer: My rent with my utilities is about 900 me and my roommate split it half
Oct 24, 2015 8:44 AM - lonesome killer: Car insurance with renters insurance is about 65 a month
Oct 24, 2015 8:44 AM - lonesome killer: Cell phone 70
Oct 24, 2015 8:47 AM - lonesome killer: Don't know how much cable is my roommate pays for that. He's asked me do I still want Internet I told him he could cut it off I have unlimited data on my phone with tether
Oct 24, 2015 8:47 AM - lonesome killer: Last month I used 25-30 gb but he keeps the cable anyway cuz he has to watch Nascar and football
Oct 24, 2015 8:53 AM - lonesome killer: And I have a cool job I get to bring my gun to work every day
Oct 24, 2015 8:56 AM - lonesome killer: What else would you like to know about me
Oct 24, 2015 8:56 AM - lonesome killer: Yes I am eating my fruits and vegetables occasionally
Oct 24, 2015 12:27 PM - Reechard: lies.
Oct 24, 2015 12:27 PM - Reechard: we know you live at home with your parents.
Oct 24, 2015 1:14 PM - Hexalan: do you have teeth?
Oct 24, 2015 1:14 PM - Hexalan: you gonna get a ged?
Oct 24, 2015 2:18 PM - LavaRed: all I heard was Nascar
Oct 24, 2015 2:19 PM - LavaRed: and suddenly I blacked out while looking for the Skoal
Oct 24, 2015 2:26 PM - Hexalan: what a goober
Oct 24, 2015 3:29 PM - Statboy: I own a Carhartt coat, I will not hear any ill spoken of the magnificent brand
Oct 24, 2015 3:31 PM - Statboy: As to the rest of those, i don't smoke or chew, i own a minivan and rent a tiny house, so I'm not lonesome. But still Carhartts are great coats
Oct 24, 2015 3:35 PM - Reechard: Yeah, Carhartts are for people who want to pay money for quality
Oct 24, 2015 3:35 PM - Reechard: I've had them since I was like... 14
Oct 24, 2015 3:35 PM - Reechard: I've had 3 carhartt coats in 16 years.
Oct 24, 2015 3:39 PM - LavaRed: About time to get our kiddo a Carhartt too
Oct 24, 2015 3:40 PM - LavaRed: I wonder if they make infant coveralls too? :p
Oct 24, 2015 4:53 PM - Statboy: Yes they do, you can get them at Bass Pro
Oct 24, 2015 4:54 PM - Statboy: http://www.carhartt.com/category/carhartt-kids-infant?icid=LINK-HeaderKids-Infant-20151006
Oct 24, 2015 8:18 PM - lonesome killer: You dont have to believe me. It's all good in the hood
Oct 24, 2015 10:01 PM - Hexalan: you don't even wear Js, lonesome
Oct 24, 2015 10:01 PM - Hexalan: you probably don't even know where to get an infant-sized tall tee
Oct 24, 2015 10:01 PM - Hexalan: you're not even in the hood
 
Oct 25, 2015 8:09 AM - lonesome killer: I'll shoot you with my four nickel
Oct 25, 2015 8:10 AM - lonesome killer: How's that for hood
Oct 25, 2015 10:23 AM - Hexalan: four nickel, lonesome?
Oct 25, 2015 10:24 AM - Hexalan: Four nickel.
Oct 25, 2015 10:24 AM - Hexalan: You are trying to hard.
Oct 25, 2015 10:25 AM - Statboy:
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Oct 25, 2015 10:26 AM - Statboy: fixed the picture just refresh
Oct 25, 2015 10:58 AM - lonesome killer: Stat boy you wanna be shot by a four nickel too?
Oct 25, 2015 10:58 AM - lonesome killer: Hexalan I'm surprised you understood that I know you Canadians don't know much about guns
Oct 25, 2015 10:58 AM - Hexalan: nobody says four nickel, lonesome
Oct 25, 2015 10:59 AM - lonesome killer: Gangstas do
Oct 25, 2015 11:00 AM - Hexalan: no, lonesome
Oct 25, 2015 11:00 AM - Hexalan: white people tryna sound gangsta say four nickel
Oct 25, 2015 12:58 PM - lonesome killer: Hexalan I will driv up there with my four nickel and gat you before you gat me
Oct 25, 2015 1:26 PM - Hexalan: now see
Oct 25, 2015 1:26 PM - Hexalan: gat is a great word
Oct 25, 2015 1:26 PM - Hexalan: a fine word
Oct 25, 2015 1:26 PM - Hexalan: four nickel is still fucking stupid tho
Oct 25, 2015 2:56 PM - Statboy: If you tried it Lonesome I would spray paint you brown, and call immigration, just to see how gangsta you are in Mexico
Oct 25, 2015 4:56 PM - Reechard: wow
Oct 25, 2015 4:56 PM - Reechard: four nickel is the most idiotic way I've ever seen someone say "forty five"
Oct 25, 2015 5:22 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: wouldn't 4 nickels be 20 ?
Oct 25, 2015 5:23 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: either way its the same amount of syllables so why bother changing the way you say it
Oct 25, 2015 5:26 PM - LavaRed: four nickel? I had never even heard of that before, and hell I'm so white I'm translucent.
Oct 25, 2015 6:21 PM - lonesome killer: Geez
Oct 25, 2015 6:22 PM - lonesome killer: Does everyone here want me to get my fo' nickel
Oct 25, 2015 6:22 PM - lonesome killer: Cuz I will
Oct 25, 2015 6:59 PM - VintagePC: dodgeball starting shortly, just need to tweak some server settings
Oct 25, 2015 7:14 PM - Statboy: DODGEBALL
Oct 25, 2015 9:03 PM - VaultBot: well 2k screen is really just slighlty larger than 1080p
Oct 25, 2015 9:03 PM - VintagePC: well that was fun
Oct 25, 2015 9:04 PM - VintagePC: encountered some old freefraggers
Oct 25, 2015 9:13 PM - Ephex: Who did you see?
Oct 25, 2015 9:29 PM - VintagePC: they went by bonkers, bobertz28, and loki-face
 
Oct 26, 2015 5:15 AM - TimeCrush: I've been playing on a doublecross server that is like stepping into a time warp sometimes.
Oct 26, 2015 5:15 AM - TimeCrush: See people from back when.
Oct 26, 2015 5:16 AM - TimeCrush: Hugh Downs Away, Chewy, Jbird, good fun.
Oct 26, 2015 6:11 AM - VintagePC: where were all these people when we were trying to revive DC? :-/
Oct 26, 2015 6:11 AM - LavaRed: they were around, but they were/are mostly event-type people
Oct 26, 2015 6:12 AM - LavaRed: also, sorry I missed dodgeball last night. I was a very sick Lavacubator all day yesterday
Oct 26, 2015 7:00 AM - VintagePC: that's even more funny given there was a player by the name "Lavador" last night
Oct 26, 2015 7:00 AM - VintagePC: lava's line of home products is expanding :D
Oct 26, 2015 8:16 AM - lonesome killer: That new game from 2k looks awesome. The 1st person shooter with spells
Oct 26, 2015 8:16 AM - lonesome killer: Called battle born I think
Oct 26, 2015 9:08 AM - Hexalan: when you said 2k i thought you meant the basketball games and i was confused
Oct 26, 2015 9:22 AM - Reechard: it makes more sense when you say GearBox
Oct 26, 2015 9:22 AM - Reechard: GearBox is making BattleBorn
Oct 26, 2015 9:22 AM - Reechard: it's a class-based FPS
Oct 26, 2015 9:22 AM - Reechard: and between that and the Blizzard one that looks like a MOBA... I'm pretty ok with it./
Oct 26, 2015 9:29 AM - Hexalan: overwatch?
Oct 26, 2015 9:42 AM - Reechard: yeah
Oct 26, 2015 10:02 AM - Statboy: Gearbox + 2k making an FPS. I think I'm already on board with this.
Oct 26, 2015 10:10 AM - Statboy:
Oct 26, 2015 10:10 AM - Statboy: Thats the trailer
Oct 26, 2015 10:11 AM - English: I'm hoping to get an invite to the technical beta
Oct 26, 2015 10:11 AM - English: we shall seeeeeeeeee
Oct 26, 2015 10:13 AM - Statboy: We must get a group together to Co-op this game
Oct 26, 2015 11:03 AM - Reechard: I got a beta invite, waiting for it to start
Oct 26, 2015 12:02 PM - Statboy: do you have to pre-purchase to get the beta?
Oct 26, 2015 12:59 PM - English: No. Just had to sign up for it.
Oct 26, 2015 12:59 PM - English: I was waiting to play the beta before pre-purchasing
Oct 26, 2015 1:02 PM - English: I am assuming they will be sending out keys for people who get access on the 29th
Oct 26, 2015 6:12 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: their answer to overwatch
Oct 26, 2015 6:54 PM - lonesome killer: Except over watch appears to be strictly pvp. Battle born has pve
 
Oct 27, 2015 at 7:39 AM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: just because they have something different than another game, doesn't mean its not them trying to cash in on what else is coming out
Oct 27, 2015 at 7:39 AM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: blizzard based overwatch over TF2 style game they just added more characters
Oct 27, 2015 at 7:40 AM - Hexalan: exciting
Oct 27, 2015 at 8:17 AM - Reechard: Idk, one looks like a class based team shooter, the other looks like a first person moba. They looks sufficiently different to not be a ripoff of one another.
Oct 27, 2015 at 8:18 AM - Reechard: Blizzard isn't proven in the fps market like gearbox is though
Oct 27, 2015 at 9:37 AM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: its blizzard, they just do things and its good
Oct 27, 2015 at 9:59 AM - Statboy: The very fact of both PvP and PvE makes me more excited for Battleborn
Oct 27, 2015 at 12:45 PM - Reechard: I'll take the release version of Diablo III and throw it in your face as proof that Blizzard's stuff isn't always good
Oct 27, 2015 at 12:46 PM - Reechard: I'm frankly not overly impressed with its current iteration. The trading and loot is pretty underwhelming...
Oct 27, 2015 at 12:46 PM - Reechard: They WoW'd up Diablo a bit too much.
Oct 27, 2015 at 2:12 PM - VaultBot: semiautos and revolvers have the same issue thankfully my parents did actually help pay for it.
Oct 27, 2015 at 2:12 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: i didn't have any issues with d3 release
Oct 27, 2015 at 5:50 PM - Statboy: How about with the online only gameplay, which at least with my crap internet created a lag when attacking. Even when I was only in single player
Oct 27, 2015 at 8:06 PM - English: I think Invites went out
Oct 27, 2015 at 8:06 PM - English: for Battleborn
Oct 27, 2015 at 8:06 PM - English: just got mine
Oct 27, 2015 at 9:56 PM - Statboy: I got mine as well
 
Oct 28, 2015 8:07 AM - lonesome killer: Hopefully blizzard will not copy Team Hat Trader 2 and keep the game all about game instead of destroying it every 2 months by adding tons of new items
Oct 28, 2015 9:12 AM - Statboy: go play the Xbox version lonesome. it never updated
Oct 28, 2015 9:14 AM - lonesome killer: I had the Xbox version years ago. The online connectivity sucked. And like all non halo or call of duty games the community died 6 months later. Maybe 15 ppl still play
Oct 28, 2015 12:58 PM - Reechard: The only reason the team hat trader community is still alive at all is because it's team hat trader
Oct 28, 2015 12:59 PM - Reechard: the game is like 8 years old, there aren't many other games from 2007 that people are still actively playing.l
Oct 28, 2015 1:02 PM - VaultBot: thank you lonesome for listening
Oct 28, 2015 1:02 PM - Reechard: same year as Bioshock. Same year as the first Modern Warfare.
Oct 28, 2015 1:04 PM - Reechard: Command and Conquer 3... Mass Effect... UT3... WoW:BC came out that year
Oct 28, 2015 1:05 PM - Reechard: we're like 4 wow expansions further now
Oct 28, 2015 6:16 PM - lonesome killer: Yes but those games at least have expansions
Oct 28, 2015 6:19 PM - Reechard: what I'm saying
Oct 28, 2015 6:19 PM - Reechard: is people aren't still playing most of those
Oct 28, 2015 6:19 PM - Reechard: and tons of people still play tf2
Oct 28, 2015 6:22 PM - Reechard: because of hats.
Oct 28, 2015 6:51 PM - VaultBot: about time to get it to happen are far less likely than the series of events for it
Oct 28, 2015 6:51 PM - Statboy: Tell me lonesome how did hats affect the gameplay?
Oct 28, 2015 7:18 PM - Reechard: Even I don't like the deluge of game-breaking/game-changing weapons
Oct 28, 2015 7:18 PM - Reechard: but if you play comp modes it doesn't matter because they're banned
 
Oct 29, 2015 at 9:17 AM - Statboy: I don't mind it because nothing is completely OP, it keeps it fresh
Oct 29, 2015 at 11:47 AM - Statboy: i'm probably gonna lose the urge to keep working at noon when I can start battleborn, anybody else going to be playing this early?
Oct 29, 2015 at 12:17 PM - Statboy: Well maybe I won't be playing, there was a fail somewhere #Betaisbeta. Oh well I'm sure it'll be sorted out soon
Oct 29, 2015 at 12:20 PM - Statboy: according to the forums the .exe to actually start the game wasn't included in the download, lol
Oct 29, 2015 at 12:31 PM - Reechard: I don't have any email saying it's good to go yet
Oct 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM - Statboy: i'm getting in now, restart steam, they dropped a patch fix
Oct 29, 2015 at 2:40 PM - English: Can you play it now? I will patch when I get home
Oct 29, 2015 at 3:03 PM - Statboy: sorta, i got tired of the q and left, Xasunt said he waited about 20 minutes
Oct 29, 2015 at 3:11 PM - Reechard: yeah I'm gonna log on after work
Oct 29, 2015 at 3:34 PM - English: You cant manually join a game? there is matchmaking only?
Oct 29, 2015 at 5:05 PM - Statboy: yah
Oct 29, 2015 at 7:14 PM - Hexalan: does nobody think this is a tau battlesuit
Oct 29, 2015 at 7:14 PM - Hexalan:
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Oct 29, 2015 at 7:22 PM - lonesome killer: The hats broke teh game because you cant even try to play on a random server. There's always someone wasting space trying to trade instead of actually playing
Oct 29, 2015 at 7:29 PM - Hexalan: this is an exagerration
 
Oct 30, 2015 7:54 AM - TimeCrush: Going to Youmacon with my girlfriend. As a guy who can count the anime he has seen on one hand; I'm going to be deep in the weebs.
Oct 30, 2015 8:24 AM - Hexalan: hold strong, brother
Oct 30, 2015 10:13 AM - Reechard: watch more anime
Oct 30, 2015 1:35 PM - Statboy: So the new Disney Infinity 3.0 is out, and the game is F2P with dlc and microtransactions, both combined the game is $1,500. I now hate disney worse than EA
Oct 30, 2015 1:37 PM - Hexalan: 1500 dollars
Oct 30, 2015 1:37 PM - Hexalan: wat
Oct 30, 2015 1:51 PM - Ephex: Have any of you guys seen any Overwatch gameplay? Blizzard took a lot from TF2.
Oct 30, 2015 1:53 PM - Reechard: yeah overwatch and battleborn both
Oct 30, 2015 1:53 PM - Hexalan: yeah
Oct 30, 2015 2:00 PM - Ephex: I wonder how it will do as a whole, when more people catch on to that.
Oct 30, 2015 2:07 PM - VaultBot: found lonesome
Oct 30, 2015 2:07 PM - Reechard: I played battleborn for a couple hours last night, and I liked it. It was worth playing.
Oct 30, 2015 2:08 PM - English: Don't know where you got $1,500 statboy...
Oct 30, 2015 2:09 PM - Reechard: English I think he means if you buy the base set + every single figurine for it + all of the microtransaction stuff in-game
Oct 30, 2015 2:21 PM - English: i dont even understand what the game is in the first place
Oct 30, 2015 2:30 PM - Reechard: it's like Skylanders
Oct 30, 2015 2:30 PM - VaultBot: a moment of silence for our next upcoming project launch at vf4
Oct 30, 2015 2:30 PM - Reechard: you get a big open GTA world
Oct 30, 2015 2:31 PM - Reechard: and you can buy figurines (not even action figures, at least action figures move)
Oct 30, 2015 2:31 PM - Reechard: and when you put the figurine on the USB "portal" thingy, it "scans" the character into the game
Oct 30, 2015 2:31 PM - Reechard: and you can do the stuff in the world with that character
Oct 30, 2015 2:32 PM - Reechard: imagine if you were playing league, and every new champ you had to go to Toys'R'Us and buy a $12 plastic model of the champ
Oct 30, 2015 2:32 PM - Reechard: only some champs are only available in certain areas, like trading cards...
Oct 30, 2015 2:32 PM - Reechard: so to get that specific you have to go to Target or Walmart or Gamestop to get specific ones...
Oct 30, 2015 2:33 PM - Reechard: it's a giant fuck-the-parents scam
Oct 30, 2015 2:35 PM - Reechard: it started with Skylanders, which was an original IP, but Disney was like "why don't we sell them charactres they already know?"
Oct 30, 2015 2:35 PM - Reechard: It's PHYSICAL DLC
Oct 30, 2015 2:35 PM - Reechard: Nintendo has Amiibos, but they're only for NPC-type stuff so far, they aren't required to unlock things in the game (they aren't physical DLC)
Oct 30, 2015 2:38 PM - Reechard: Amiibos are kinda neat... if you buy, for example, a Mario, and you load it into Smash Bros
Oct 30, 2015 2:39 PM - VaultBot: it never did to begin with... did it?
Oct 30, 2015 2:39 PM - Reechard: it'll load a unique ID for just that mario, and if you let that NPC mario play in your SSB game, it "levels up"
Oct 30, 2015 2:39 PM - Statboy: It's also a sandbox, they DLC all the characters and Figurines then microtransaction pre-built levels and the tools to build your own level. Imagine Minecraft but you need 15.00 irl to get a wood as a building option
Oct 30, 2015 2:39 PM - Reechard: and if you take that same mario to someone else's house, it has the same NPC stats on their wii
Oct 30, 2015 2:41 PM - Statboy: English in order to get the 1,500 it includes in game micro-transactions not listed as DLC on steam.
Oct 30, 2015 3:33 PM - English: I never understood the Skylanders craze... Really stupid business model that I hope fails miserably
Oct 30, 2015 3:46 PM - English: I love the internet
Oct 30, 2015 3:46 PM - English: http://www.tickld.com/x/cl/this-is-...uy-a-banana-slicer-on-amazon-priceless#page-1
Oct 30, 2015 5:26 PM - Reechard: that's the problem english, the business model not only did very well, they're on their THIRD version for Disney, and this one is Star Wars so it's probably going to do even BETTER than the previous 2
Oct 30, 2015 5:39 PM - English: well... consumers have the dumbs
Oct 30, 2015 5:39 PM - English: so what can you expect
Oct 30, 2015 6:07 PM - Reechard: It was a logical progression, honestly
Oct 30, 2015 6:07 PM - Reechard: "how can we make kids pay for DLC"
Oct 30, 2015 6:07 PM - Reechard: and they managed to do it to the point where kids are begging for it
Oct 30, 2015 10:09 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: so Youtube red is..... interesting.......
 
Oct 31, 2015 12:23 AM - VaultBot: it got the kid laughin
Oct 31, 2015 12:23 AM - Hexalan: it's just called redtube, snuffles
Oct 31, 2015 7:03 AM - VintagePC: I think he's referring to the new no-ad pay service on YT
Oct 31, 2015 7:04 AM - VintagePC: which bears a rather unfortunate (or hilarious jab) as a moniker
Oct 31, 2015 7:21 AM - Reechard: youtube red = google buys youtube, which had a reasonable amount of ads, fills it with so many ads that you stop using it as much as possible, then starts charging $10/mo to not have to look at the ads that IT PUT THERE
Oct 31, 2015 7:21 AM - Reechard: which, honestly.... that's why you have netflix isn't it? So you don't have to look at youtube ads?
Oct 31, 2015 7:22 AM - Reechard: if they got all of the content netflix has, and charged $10/mo for netflix + adless youtube, I'd probably switch in a heartbeat.
Oct 31, 2015 9:35 AM - Statboy: I have adblocker and I root my tablet and phone to install ytube adaway. there are many better options than paying for red tube
Oct 31, 2015 10:02 AM - Statboy: I remember one of the Yogscast guys, I think it was Lewis, saying if you buy 1 t-shirt from them they make more money than if you watched every video they put out over the last 4 years with ads on.
Oct 31, 2015 10:03 AM - Statboy: He came right out and said, "If you want to use adblocker, that's fine if you bought a t-shirt"
Oct 31, 2015 10:04 AM - Statboy: It really shows how much of the money goes to google/youtube and how little goes to the content creators
Oct 31, 2015 11:41 AM - Reechard: I think it's less that google makes "more" money than the content creator
Oct 31, 2015 11:41 AM - Reechard: and more that the ads just don't pay very much to begin with.
Oct 31, 2015 11:42 AM - Reechard: 50 THOUSAND impressions, that's 50 THOUSAND times your ad shows up on someone else's webpage... is like $8.
Oct 31, 2015 2:55 PM - VaultBot: i didn't have any issues with d3 release
Oct 31, 2015 2:55 PM - Statboy: http://webgilde.com/en/how-much-does-adsense-pay/
Oct 31, 2015 2:57 PM - Statboy: according to that website which shows adsense (by google) that number is much higher than the $0.00016 per impression you mentioned. I read once were twitch makes $0.001 per advert watched.
Oct 31, 2015 3:03 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: what was it that yogurt said in Space balls?? Merchandising!!! Thats what youtubers need to do
Oct 31, 2015 4:01 PM - Reechard: Yeah, adsense for high profile youtubers probably costs more than 50k for $8
Oct 31, 2015 4:02 PM - Reechard: if I wanted to buy ads on Yogcast or whatever, it'd be more expensive because they're famous and it's like buying an 8PM ad on your local CBS station
Oct 31, 2015 4:03 PM - Reechard: the 50k for $8 is more like.... buying a 3:15AM ad.
Oct 31, 2015 8:35 PM - VintagePC: yeah... back when FFN ran ads it was something like $2.50 got you 10k views
Oct 31, 2015 8:36 PM - VintagePC: we had $4 per month in ad revenue
 
Nov 1, 2015 6:42 AM - lonesome killer: YouTube ads are easily defeated with ad block plus. There's even a blocking apps if you have a rooted phone.
Nov 1, 2015 7:13 AM - lonesome killer: Rare sighting of a canadian being born http://i.imgur.com/zEsDm19.gifv
Nov 1, 2015 9:59 AM - VintagePC: given the ludicrous price of most mobile data... almost nuts not to run ad blocking on a phone
Nov 1, 2015 10:00 AM - VintagePC: if I like your app enough to support it I'll buy it
Nov 1, 2015 11:03 AM - lonesome killer: Unlimited data ftw
Nov 1, 2015 11:03 AM - lonesome killer: I saw this years ago and got Verizon Unlimited data off ebay
Nov 1, 2015 12:08 PM - Hexalan: 1: Content producers use simple ads to support themselves.
Nov 1, 2015 12:09 PM - Hexalan: 2: Lonesome uses adblock.
Nov 1, 2015 12:09 PM - Hexalan: 3: Content producers lose revenue, must employ more invasive ads.
Nov 1, 2015 12:09 PM - Hexalan: 3: Lonesome complains about invasive ads, uses as justification for adblock.
Nov 1, 2015 12:24 PM - VintagePC: http://consumerist.com/2015/10/15/online-ad-industry-admits-we-messed-up-with-too-many-invasive-ads/
Nov 1, 2015 1:44 PM - Reechard: lolol "We lost track of the user experience"
Nov 1, 2015 1:44 PM - Reechard: PAGING CAPTAIN OBVIOUS
Nov 1, 2015 1:44 PM - Reechard: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS PLEASE PICK UP LINE 1
Nov 1, 2015 2:48 PM - Statboy: It's like right now in IMDB's mobile app, to watch a preview, which is itself an ad, you have to watch another ad.
Nov 1, 2015 3:55 PM - VintagePC: we's gonna do some dodgeball tonight again
Nov 1, 2015 5:01 PM - VintagePC: I'm not sure I'll be able to stay for the whole duration (~2h)... any other staff available from 8et thru 10et?
Nov 1, 2015 6:23 PM - lonesome killer: I don't feel sorry for people who rely on ads. I remember the good ole days of the internet's youth when ads were just a picture on the side. Then they started loading scripts. Then they started popping up ads like commerecials in the middle of your browser
Nov 1, 2015 6:24 PM - lonesome killer: It would make your browser just about crash. The only way to keep your brwoser stable was to install an adblocker
Nov 1, 2015 7:17 PM - Statboy: if ads were just banners I would uninstall my many blockers, mostly because all those extensions are also slowing my browser
Nov 1, 2015 7:20 PM - Statboy: I run an ad blockers, 4 analytics/tracker blockers, an extension that stops autoplay of any video, and a link cleaner that targets nested/obfuscated links.
Nov 1, 2015 7:22 PM - Statboy: thats on top of webroot, my anti-virus software which also runs an extension on my browser
 
Nov 1, 2015 10:34 PM - Hexalan: 1: Ads are simple pictures on the side.
Nov 1, 2015 10:35 PM - Hexalan: 2: Lonesome hates America and installs an adblocker that blocks pictures on the side.
Nov 1, 2015 10:36 PM - Hexalan: 3: Advertisers realize Lonesome has blocked simple picture ads, so make slightly more complitacted ads to try to remind Lonesome that web developers need to eat, too.
Nov 1, 2015 10:37 PM - Hexalan: 4: Lonesome installs a more complicated adblocker. Because he hates America.
Nov 1, 2015 11:05 PM - Statboy: Also hex, wtf are you trying to stir up Lonesome?
Nov 2, 2015 4:42 AM - LavaRed: seems so....it's easy to do
Nov 2, 2015 5:07 AM - TimeCrush: Mmmmdrop the hammer for our entertainment.
Nov 2, 2015 10:05 AM - Statboy: Rocksteady/ WB are giving refunds to anybody who purchased Batman Knight on Steam, after many complaints about it being not optimized for PC
Nov 2, 2015 10:06 AM - Statboy: That's a good developer, I trust devs more when they own and try to fix mistakes
Nov 2, 2015 5:12 PM - Reechard: hmmmm.... I got it free with my video card, I wonder if they'll give me credit for it.
Nov 2, 2015 5:13 PM - English: you might
Nov 2, 2015 5:13 PM - English: they might just give a blanket refund not really looking at if you "paid" for it separately
Nov 2, 2015 5:15 PM - Reechard: I mean... Free Fallout4 sounds like a good deal to me...
Nov 2, 2015 5:25 PM - Reechard: looks like the answer is no, activated keys don't show up in your "purchase history" to have a refund requested.
Nov 2, 2015 5:54 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: fucking blade and soul just needs to release
Nov 2, 2015 5:54 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: for NA that is
Nov 2, 2015 5:58 PM - VaultBot: that's not how the naming works, iirc
Nov 2, 2015 5:58 PM - Reechard: blade and soul? What is this weeb game?
Nov 2, 2015 5:58 PM - Snuffles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: idk but they got lady part physics for days so i'm in
Nov 2, 2015 6:28 PM - Amanmegaman: I have seen a lot of streams on twitch play it , but have not looked into it.
 
Nov 2, 2015 11:26 PM - Hexalan: huh
Nov 2, 2015 11:26 PM - Hexalan: a new ncsoft mmo
Nov 3, 2015 10:47 AM - Hexalan: hey, how long has that thomas sowell quote been in your sig?
Nov 3, 2015 11:09 AM - Statboy: ever since Vint told me my old signature was too long, don't remember exactly
Nov 3, 2015 6:01 PM - Statboy: does our murder server have a midget mode in the point shop?
Nov 3, 2015 6:34 PM - VintagePC: possibly... though it may have been removed if it was too game breaking
Nov 3, 2015 6:35 PM - Statboy: I was just wondering if it wasn't hacks, they guy that was a midget was also running a script that spam's the voice dialogue
Nov 3, 2015 6:36 PM - Statboy: moved onto FoF because of that guy, but haven't regretted it, FoF is awesome.
Nov 3, 2015 6:47 PM - VintagePC: no, there's a small and supersize powerup
Nov 3, 2015 6:47 PM - VintagePC: just checked
 
Nov 4, 2015 8:29 AM - lonesome killer: All these guitar games with their lack of country tracks has inspired me to get a real guitar and learn myself
Nov 4, 2015 8:45 AM - Reechard: people who listen to country music and people who own televisions and game consoles are mutually exclusive groups
Nov 4, 2015 8:45 AM - VaultBot: i'm too tired to throw knives
Nov 4, 2015 8:45 AM - Reechard: if you could play guitar hero on a combine harvester they'd probably make a combine-harvester-compatible version of guitar hero
Nov 4, 2015 8:58 AM - English: Hahahah Reechard :p That statement
Nov 4, 2015 9:50 AM - Statboy: My fiancee listens to only country, she doesn't live on a farm, she hates dirt, she's a librarian. And she owns an Xbox, but her only games are The Sims and a couple of Lego games
Nov 4, 2015 10:14 AM - lonesome killer: Got me a Taylor Swift song book, the pre-pop Taylor
Nov 4, 2015 10:17 AM - Reechard: so you can whine about all the exes you don't have
Nov 4, 2015 11:58 AM - LavaRed: I'm confused...I didn't realize Lonesome was a tween girl?
Nov 4, 2015 12:25 PM - English: is a tween girl*
Nov 4, 2015 12:41 PM - lonesome killer: Screw you guys tal
Nov 4, 2015 12:41 PM - lonesome killer: Taylor Swift makes beautiful music
Nov 4, 2015 12:50 PM - LavaRed: it's funny you say that, because my 10 year old daughter was just telling me the other day how whiny Taylor Swift music was becoming
Nov 4, 2015 12:50 PM - LavaRed: she's outgrown it
Nov 4, 2015 1:36 PM - Hexalan: i like west coast rap and european symphonic metal
Nov 4, 2015 2:32 PM - moo_d: Lions and Tigers and Lava - oh my!
Nov 4, 2015 2:47 PM - LavaRed: no proof
Nov 4, 2015 3:36 PM - moo_d: PARADOX
 
Nov 5, 2015 5:28 AM - TimeCrush: Daughter is about to hit that No Doubt phase of rebellion
Nov 5, 2015 5:29 AM - VaultBot: i saved all my portal sound clips from last year that i suck. <3
Nov 5, 2015 5:29 AM - TimeCrush: Here comes the 'tude lava, watch out.
Nov 5, 2015 6:18 AM - LavaRed: That's okay...I can handle that nonsense...as I went through it myself and Gwen Stefani is still one of my favorite artists TYVM :p
Nov 5, 2015 10:19 AM - Statboy: Gwen Stefani is still hot too
Nov 5, 2015 11:30 AM - Statboy: Banner Saga is on sale for $5.00, everybody should own this game it's amazing. Also the steam reviews are 5,000 positive to 500 negative, so it's highly rated by steam users
Nov 5, 2015 1:19 PM - Hexalan: lonesome
Nov 5, 2015 1:19 PM - Hexalan: post the bananas gif
Nov 5, 2015 1:19 PM - Hexalan: oh shit banner saga
Nov 5, 2015 1:19 PM - Hexalan: i totally didn't pirate that game once
Nov 5, 2015 3:49 PM - moo_d: you know I speak banana
Nov 5, 2015 5:00 PM - Reechard: moooooooooooooooooooooooooo_d
Nov 5, 2015 5:21 PM - moo_d: Reechard
Nov 5, 2015 5:22 PM - moo_d: Reechaard
Nov 5, 2015 5:22 PM - moo_d: Oh he's gone.
 
Nov 6, 2015 at 7:17 AM - Reechard: moo_D
Nov 6, 2015 at 7:18 AM - Reechard: yeah I've got crap to do I haven't been playing games much :p
Nov 6, 2015 at 7:18 AM - Reechard: or looking at games, or thinking about games... other than Fallout4
Nov 6, 2015 at 11:09 AM - moo_d: I've been in and out myself, lately
Nov 6, 2015 at 11:28 AM - moo_d: Though I'm sure your reason is much more exciting :)
 
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